Sessoms v. Runnels
Justia.com Opinion Summary: At issue was in this case was whether Petitioner, a California prisoner, was entitled to habeas corpus relief where Petitioner alleged violations that required the California state courts to suppress the incriminating statement he made after he expressly waived his Miranda rights. The California court of appeal affirmed Petitioner's conviction, concluding that Petitioner was required under Davis v. United States to unambiguously invoke his right to counsel. Petitioner later filed a federal habeas petition. The district court denied the petition but granted a certificate of appealability on Petitioner's Miranda claim and his ineffective assistance of counsel claim. A divided three-judge panel of the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the district court's denial of Petitioner's habeas petition. The Ninth Circuit then granted rehearing en banc. The Court reversed the district court's denial of habeas relief, holding that the state court's decision was an unreasonable application of clearly established federal law. Remanded with directions to grant a conditional writ of habeas corpus.
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FOR PUBLICATION UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE NINTH CIRCUIT TIO DINERO SESSOMS, Petitioner-Appellant, v. D. L. RUNNELS, Respondent-Appellee. ï£¼ ï£½ ï£¾ No. 08-17790 D.C. No. 2:05-cv-01221JAM-GGH OPINION Appeal from the United States District Court for the Eastern District of California John A. Mendez, District Judge, Presiding Argued and Submitted March 20, 2012âSan Francisco, California Filed August 16, 2012 Before: Alex Kozinski, Chief Judge, Mary M. Schroeder, Betty B. Fletcher, Barry G. Silverman, Kim McLane Wardlaw, Raymond C. Fisher, Richard A. Paez, Consuelo M. Callahan, Milan D. Smith, Jr., Sandra S. Ikuta, and Mary H. Murguia, Circuit Judges. Opinion by Judge B. Fletcher; Concurrence by Judge Fisher; Dissent by Judge Murguia 9303 9306 SESSOMS v. RUNNELS COUNSEL Eric Weaver (argued), Albany, California, for petitionerappellant Tio Dinero Sessoms. Edmund G. Brown, Attorney General of California, Michael P. Farrell, Senior Assistant Attorney General, Charles A. French, Supervising Deputy Attorney General, Jeffrey D. Firestone (argued), Deputy Attorney General, Sacramento, California, for respondent-appellee D. L. Runnels. Peter C. Pfaffenroth, (argued), HL Rogers, Brian A. Fox, Sidley Austin LLP, Washington, D.C.; Mark E. Haddad, Douglas A. Axel, Sidley Austin LLP, Los Angeles, California; David M. Porter, Sacramento, California, for amicus National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers. OPINION B. FLETCHER, Circuit Judge, with whom SCHROEDER, WARDLAW, FISHER, PAEZ, and M. SMITH, Circuit Judges, join in full: Tio Sessoms, a nineteen-year-old black man, sat alone in an eight-by-ten foot interrogation room. Five days earlier, on the SESSOMS v. RUNNELS 9307 advice of his father, Sessoms had turned himself in to the local police. Before doing so, Sessomsâs father told his son: you must ask for a lawyer before talking to the police. Sessoms followed his fatherâs advice. When the two police officers entered the interrogation room, Sessoms sat slouched in his chair. He looked up and they exchanged brief pleasantries. Forty seconds after the officers entered the room and before they read Sessoms his rights under Miranda v. Arizona, 384 U.S. 436 (1966), the following exchange occurred: Sessoms: There wouldnât be any possible way that I could have a â a lawyer present while we do this? [Detective]: Well, uh, what Iâll do is, um â Sessoms: Yeah, thatâs what my dad asked me to ask you guys . . . uh, give me a lawyer.1 Instead of immediately ceasing the interrogation, the officers persevered and convinced Sessoms that the only way to tell his side of the story was to speak to them without an attorney. Eventually, Sessoms agreed to talk and made incriminating statements. We hold that the California Court of Appeal unreasonably applied clearly established Supreme Court precedent when it concluded that Sessoms was required under Davis v. United States, 512 U.S. 452, 459 (1994), to unambiguously invoke his right to counsel. We reverse the district courtâs judgment and remand with directions to grant a conditional writ of habeas corpus. 1 The transcript of the colloquy says âGive me a lawyer,â but Detective Woods, after comparing the transcript to the videotape, testified that Sessoms said âGet me a lawyer.â We find this distinction irrelevant to our analysis. 9308 SESSOMS v. RUNNELS I. Facts and Procedural History On October 20, 1999, Sessoms and two others burglarized Edward Sheriffâs home. During the burglary, one of Sessomsâs accomplices choked and repeatedly stabbed Sheriff. Sessoms then fled from California to Oklahoma. There, at his fatherâs urging, Sessoms surrendered to Oklahoma police on November 15, 1999. His father advised him to ask for a lawyer before talking to the police. Sessoms was in custody for four days before being interrogated. On November 19 or 20, two police officers, Detectives Woods and Keller, flew from California to Oklahoma to question Sessoms at the county jail where he was being held. The entire interrogation was videotaped. The video shows Sessoms sitting alone, talking to himself and quietly saying, âIâm not a criminal, but I got [inaudible]. They didnât tell me if I have a lawyer. I know I want to talk to a lawyer.â2 When the detectives entered the room, the following exchange took place: Det. Woods: Sessoms: How you doing, all right. You already know me. Det. Woods: You say . . . Det. Keller: Tio, Pat Keller. Det. Woods: You say Tio or Theo? Sessoms: 2 . . . Tio, Iâm Dick. It â my name is pronounced Tio because itâs Spanish. Sessomsâs statements to himself were made prior to the detectives entering the room and there is no evidence that any law enforcement officers heard these statements. SESSOMS v. RUNNELS Det. Woods: Tio. Okay. Det. Keller: Why donât we swap corners here for a minute, you guys? Go ahead and sit here. Sessoms: So glad you fellows had a safe flight. Det. Woods: Huh? Sessoms: Iâm glad you fellows had a safe flight out here. Det. Keller: So are we. Huh. Det. Woods: Well, we want a safe one back too. Sessoms: Oh, you know [inaudible]. Det. Woods: Yeah. Uh, we both, uh â both from, uh, Sacramento PD and, uh â Sessoms: There wouldnât be any possible way that I could have a â a lawyer present while we do this? Det. Woods: Well, uh, what Iâll do is, um â Sessoms: 9309 Yeah, thatâs what my dad asked me to ask you guys . . . uh, give me a lawyer. Woods proceeded as though Sessoms said nothing. Instead of ending the interrogation, Woods persuaded Sessoms that having a lawyer was a bad idea. Sessoms explained that he 9310 SESSOMS v. RUNNELS was concerned that some police officers âend up switching your words afterwards,â to which Woods responded that he had no intention of playing any âswitch gamesâ and would even tape record the conversation to allay Sessomsâs fears. Woods then explained the situation: Sessoms and his two accomplices were all being âcharged with the same thing.â Woods said he already knew âwhat happenedâ because Sessomsâs accomplices had waived their rights âand laid it out from A to Z.â Woods reassured Sessoms that he believed that Sessoms âdid not participate in the stabbing,â but warned that if Sessoms didnât make a statement right then and there, Woods wasnât going to be able to âget his version of itâ because âmost all attorneys â in fact, all attorneys â will sometimes or usually advise you not to make a statement.â He then said he didnât really âneed [Sessomsâs] statement to make [the] caseâ anyway because he âalready [had] two and a half other complete statements,â reiterating that he already â[knew] what happened.â Only thenâafter telling Sessoms that having a lawyer would only hurt him, and that invoking his right to counsel would be futile because the police already knew what happenedâdid the police even read Sessoms his rights under Miranda. Sessoms eventually said âLetâs talk,â and proceeded to implicate himself in the crime. Prior to trial, Sessoms moved to suppress the incriminating statements, arguing that he had clearly invoked his right to counsel. The trial court denied the motion. Sessoms went to trial and was convicted of murder, robbery, and burglary, with the special circumstance that he was engaged in the commission or attempted commission of the crimes of robbery and burglary when the murder occurred. He was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole. Sessoms appealed to the California Court of Appeal. That court analyzed Sessomsâs statements under the rule of Davis: a request for counsel must be unequivocal or unambiguous. SESSOMS v. RUNNELS 9311 The state court then determined that Sessomsâs statements did not satisfy Davisâs requirement. It found that âalthough [Sessoms] twice explicitly referred to an attorney, neither statement was an unequivocal or unambiguous request for counsel.â People v. Sessoms, No. C041139, 2004 WL 49720, at *3 (Cal. Ct. App. Jan. 12, 2004). According to the state court, Sessomsâs first statement was âlegally indistinguishableâ from the statements made in Davis, 512 U.S. at 455 (âMaybe I should talk to a lawyerâ) and People v. Crittenden, 9 Cal. 4th 83, 123-24 (âDid you say I could have a lawyer?â), which were not unequivocal requests for an attorney. Sessoms, 2004 WL 49720, at *3. Sessomsâs second statement, the state court continued, was also not an unequivocal request for an attorney, but rather â[a]t best . . . a statement of his fatherâs advice to him.â Id. Ultimately, the California Court of Appeal concluded that Sessomsâs statements were equivocal and not â âsufficiently clear[ ] that a reasonable police officer in the circumstances would understand the statement to be a request for an attorney.â â Id. (citing Davis, 512 U.S. at 459). Sessoms then filed a federal habeas petition. The district court denied the petition but granted a certificate of appealability on his Miranda claim and his ineffective assistance of counsel claim. A divided three-judge panel upheld the district courtâs denial of Sessomsâs habeas petition. The panel majority recognized that â[b]ecause Sessomsâs statements were made prior to his Miranda waiver, Davis cannot apply as âclearly established Federal lawâ in this case.â Sessoms v. Runnels, 650 F.3d 1276, 1283 (9th Cir. 2011). But the panel majority held that it was not unreasonable for the state court to require an unambiguous request for counsel and concluded that Sessomsâs request was ambiguous. Id. We granted rehearing en banc. We now conclude that the state courtâs decision was an unreasonable application of clearly estab- 9312 SESSOMS v. RUNNELS lished federal law. We therefore reverse the district courtâs denial of habeas relief.3 II. Standard of Review We review de novo the district courtâs denial of a petition for a writ of habeas corpus brought under 28 U.S.C. Â§ 2254. Robinson v. Schriro, 595 F.3d 1086, 1099 (9th Cir. 2010). Because Sessomsâs habeas petition was filed after April 24, 1996, we apply AEDPA. Under AEDPA, Sessoms is entitled to federal habeas relief if he can show that the state courtâs adjudication of the merits of his claim was âcontrary toâ thenestablished Supreme Court precedent; was âan unreasonable application ofâ such law; or âwas based on an unreasonable determination of the factsâ in light of the state court record. 28 U.S.C. Â§ 2254(d); Harrington v. Richter, 131 S. Ct. 770, 785 (2011). A state court decision is âcontrary toâ clearly established Supreme Court precedent if it (1) âapplies a rule that contradicts the governing law set forth in [the Supreme Courtâs] casesâ; or (2) reaches a different result on a âmaterially indistinguishableâ set of facts. Williams v. Taylor, 529 U.S. 362, 405-06 (2000). A state-court decision involves an âunreasonable applicationâ of clearly established federal law if the state court (1) âidentifies the correct governing legal rule from [the Supreme] Courtâs cases but unreasonably applies it to the facts of the . . . caseâ; or (2) âunreasonably extends a legal principle from [Supreme Court] precedent to a new context where it should not apply or unreasonably refuses to extend that principle to a new context where it should apply.â Id. at 407. This case illustrates the difficulty in defining the precise contours of the âcontrary toâ and âunreasonable applicationâ 3 Because we conclude that Sessoms is entitled to relief on his Miranda claim, we need not address his ineffective assistance of counsel claim. SESSOMS v. RUNNELS 9313 prongs of Â§ 2254(d)(1). Indeed, Williams itself recognized that in many cases it will be âdifficult to distinguish a decision involving an unreasonable extension of a legal principle,â warranting relief under the âunreasonable applicationâ clause âfrom a decision that arrives at a conclusion opposite to that reached by [the Supreme] Court on a question of law,â warranting relief under the âcontrary toâ clause. Id. at 408 (internal quotation marks omitted). Deciding whether this case falls into the unreasonable extension of legal principle or incorrect choice of law category involves, as the Supreme Court in Williams described, some âproblems of precision.â Id. Regardless, âit is clear that both [standards] are met when the state court has failed to follow the law as set forth by the Supreme Court.â Wade v. Terhune, 202 F.3d 1190, 1195 (9th Cir. 2000). The state court decision is both contrary to and involves an unreasonable application of Supreme Court precedent because it unreasonably extended the principle from Davis to a new context where it should not apply and because it analyzed Sessomsâs case using the incorrect legal framework. III. Discussion We begin by identifying the Supreme Courtâs applicable legal principles. The landmark case of Miranda v. Arizona established certain safeguards that must be afforded to a suspect in custody, including the right to have counsel present during a custodial interrogation. 384 U.S. 436 (1966). The Supreme Court has refined its analysis of the Miranda right to counsel in a series of cases including, as relevant here, Edwards v. Arizona, 451 U.S. 477 (1981), and United States v. Davis, 512 U.S. 452 (1994). A. In Miranda, the Supreme Court established rules the police must follow to ensure certain âbasicâ and âpreciousâ rights âenshrined in our Constitution.â 384 U.S. at 442. These rights 9314 SESSOMS v. RUNNELS include the Fifth Amendmentâs guarantee that âNo person . . . shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself.â U.S. Const. amend. V. One of the Miranda Courtâs primary concerns was the temptation for law enforcement, operating with little or no supervision of their investigative actions, to overbear a defendant in an isolated interrogation setting. 384 U.S. at 461. The Fifth Amendment privilege, explained the Court, âprotect[s] persons in all settings in which their freedom of action is curtailed in any significant way from being compelled to incriminate themselves.â Id. at 467. Miranda recognized that overzealous police practices during a custodial interrogation create the potential for compulsion in violation of the Fifth Amendment. Id. at 455-58. Indeed, some of the tactics of which Miranda warns were employed by the interrogators in this case. After Sessoms asked for an attorney, Woods persisted in his questioning. He told Sessoms he already knew what happened, and that Sessomsâs accomplices had already confessed and laid it out from A to Z, thereby âdisplay[ing] an air of confidence in [Sessomsâs] guiltâ and appearing only to be âinterest[ed] in confirming certain details.â Id. at 450. Woods offered Sessoms a âlegal excuse[ ]â and assured him that he knew Sessoms did not participate in the stabbing. See id. at 451-52. But then Woods immediately reversed course, telling Sessoms that he didnât really need his statement to make the case anyway, because Sessomsâs accomplices had already talked, thereby placing Sessoms âin a psychological state where his story [was] but an elaboration of what the police purport[ed] to know alreadyâthat he [was] guilty.â Id. at 450. Eventually, the officers, much like Miranda warns, overwhelmed Sessoms and persuaded him âout of exercising his constitutional rights.â Id. at 455.  In order to assure that the use of such psychological tactics to exploit a suspectâs vulnerabilities did not run afoul of the Fifth Amendment, Miranda set forth clear mandates: SESSOMS v. RUNNELS 9315 â[p]rior to any questioning, the person must be warned that he has a right to remain silent, that any statement he does make may be used as evidence against him, and that he has a right to the presence of an attorney.â Id. at 444. If a suspect âindicates in any manner and at any stage of the process that he wishes to consult with an attorney,â all questioning must cease.4 Id. at 444-45. These protective devices are necessary to dispel the inherent compulsion of custodial interrogations and âto insure that what was proclaimed in the Constitution had not become but a form of words in the hands of government officials.â Id. at 444 (internal citation and quotation marks omitted). Fifteen years later, in Edwards v. Arizona, the Supreme Court reaffirmed the view that the âassertion of the right to counsel was a significant event and that once exercised by the accused, âthe interrogation must cease until an attorney is present.â â Edwards, 451 U.S. at 485 (quoting Miranda, 384 U.S. at 474). In Edwards, the suspect was arrested and taken to the police station. Id. at 478. He requested counsel, at which point all questioning ceased. Id. at 479. The next day, the police visited Edwards in jail, but he told the jail guard that he did not want to talk to anyone. Id. The guard told Edwards that âhe had toâ talk to the police, and Edwards eventually confessed. Id. The Supreme Court held that Edwardsâs Fifth Amendment rights were violated and âreconfirm[ed]â that a suspect, âhaving expressed his desire to deal with the police only through counsel,â5 must not be âsubject 4 The dissent cites this same passage, but then curiously, states that Miranda says nothing about what the police must do when a suspectâs invocation is ambiguous. But Miranda explicitly addresses this issueâa suspect can request an attorney âin any manner.â 384 U.S. at 444-45 (emphasis added). 5 The dissent correctly states that under AEDPA, the holdings and not the dicta constitutes clearly established federal law. Dissent at 9324. But then the dissent goes on to rely on dicta from Edwards to support its conclusion that even Edwards requires a suspect to âclearlyâ assert his rights 9316 SESSOMS v. RUNNELS to further interrogation by the authorities until counsel has been made available to him.â Id. at 484-85. The purpose of the Edwards rule is âto prevent police from badgering a defendant into waiving his previously asserted Miranda rights,â Michigan v. Harvey, 494 U.S. 344, 350 (1990), and to ensure that police âwill not take advantage of the mounting coercive pressures of prolonged police custody,â Maryland v. Shatzer, 130 S. Ct. 1213, 1220 (2010) (internal citations and quotation marks omitted). The Supreme Court revisited the scope of Miranda and Edwards in Davis v. United States. There, the Court confronted a scenario where Davis had executed a written waiver of his rights and expressly agreed to speak to the police. 512 U.S. at 454-55. Only after being questioned for ninety minutes did Davis utter the words â[m]aybe I should talk to a lawyer.â Id. at 455. In deciding the case, the Supreme Court again reaffirmed the fundamental principle that âif a suspect requests counsel at any time during [a custodial] interview, he is not [to be] subject to further questioning until a lawyer has been made available or the suspect himself reinitiates conversation.â Id. at 458 (citing Edwards, 451 U.S. at 484-85).  The Court went on to clarify, however, that âif a suspect makes a reference to an attorney that is ambiguous or equivocal in that a reasonable officer in light of the circumstances would have understood only that the suspect might be invoking the right to counsel, our precedents do not require to counsel. Dissent at 9327. Just as with the holding in Davis, see infra n. 5 and accompanying text, what is the holding in Edwards is unmistakable: âWe further hold that an accused, such as Edwards, having expressed his desire to deal with the police only through counsel, is not subject to further interrogation by the authorities until counsel has been made available to him, unless the accused himself initiates further communication, exchanges, or conversations with the police.â 451 U.S. at 484. The Edwardsâs Court reference to the requirement that a suspectâs invocation be âclearâ is dicta and cannot be relied upon. SESSOMS v. RUNNELS 9317 the cessation of questioning.â Id. at 459. âRather, the suspect must unambiguously request counsel.â Id.6 The Court explained the reasoning behind this requirement as follows: A suspect who knowingly and voluntarily waives his right to counsel after having that right explained to him has indicated his willingness to deal with the police unassisted. Although Edwards provides an additional protectionâif a suspect subsequently requests an attorney, questioning must ceaseâit is one that must be affirmatively invoked by the suspect. Id. at 460-61. The Court ultimately concluded that the statement â[m]aybe I should talk to a lawyerâ was not an unambiguous or unequivocal request for counsel. Id. at 462.  But Davis clearly limits its holding to statements made after a suspect has waived his Miranda rights: âWe therefore hold that, after a knowing and voluntary waiver of the Miranda rights, law enforcement officers may continue questioning until and unless the suspect clearly requests an attorney.â7 Id. at 461 (emphasis added); see also United States v. Rodriguez, 518 F.3d 1072, 1079 (9th Cir. 2008) (âDavis addressed what the suspect must do to restore his Miranda rights after having already knowingly and voluntarily waived 6 The dissent accuses us of misinterpreting Davis by âselectively lift[ing]â language to support the majorityâs view. In light of the facts of the case (after being Mirandized and talking to the police for more than an hour, Davis made an unambiguous invocation) and Davisâs crystal clear holding (requiring an unambiguous invocation âafter a knowing and voluntary waiver of the Miranda rights,â), the only logical interpretation of the passage quoted by the dissent is that an unambiguous statement is required after waiver. 7 We rely on the Supreme Courtâs holdings and we cannot imagine a more clear holding than the one made here. 9318 SESSOMS v. RUNNELS them.â); 2 Wayne R. LaFave, et al., Criminal Procedure Â§ 6.9(g), n. 185 (3d ed. 2007 & Supp. 2012) (âDavis is . . . limited [to the post-waiver context].â (internal citations omitted)). When there has not been a knowing and voluntary waiver, â[i]nvocation of the Miranda right to counsel ârequires, at a minimum, some statement that can reasonably be construed to be an expression of a desire for the assistance of an attorney,â â Davis, 512 U.S. at 459 (quoting McNeil v. Wisconsin, 501 U.S. 171, 178 (1991)), but the assertion need not be âunambiguous or unequivocal,â id. at 462. Thus, where the suspect has not waived his rights, Davisâs rule is inapplicable. We therefore agree with Sessoms that the California Court of Appeal unreasonably extended Davis to requests for counsel that, like his, were made before a valid waiver of Miranda rights. See Williams, 529 U.S. at 407. The state argues, however, that the Supreme Courtâs recent decision in Berghuis v. Thompkins suggests that Davis applies to all requests for counsel, whether pre- or post-waiver. 130 S. Ct. 2250 (2010). After being informed of his Miranda rights, the suspect in Berghuis refused to sign a waiver form and simply remained silent through almost three hours of interrogation before making an incriminating statement. See id. at 2255-27. The Supreme Court concluded that the suspect never invoked his right to silence. Id. at 2260. Relying on Davis, the Court held that an invocation of the right to remain silent, like the right to counsel, must be unambiguous. Id. In reaching that decision, the Court provided this description of its holding in Davis: In the context of invoking the Miranda right to counsel, the Court in Davis v. United States held that a suspect must do so âunambiguously.â If an accused makes a statement concerning the right to counsel âthat is ambiguous or equivocalâ or makes no statement, the police are not required to end the interrogation, or ask questions to clarify whether the accused wants to invoke his or her Miranda rights. SESSOMS v. RUNNELS 9319 Id. at 2259-60 (internal citations omitted). As the state points out, this description of Davis draws no distinction between ambiguous statements made before or after Miranda rights were waived. Nonetheless, a critical factual distinction between Sessomsâs statements and those evaluated by the Court in both Davis and Berghuis remains: Sessoms made his statements before he was informed of his rights under Miranda. The Miranda Court held that the coercive atmosphere of interrogation makes it essential for a suspect to be âgiven a full and effective warning of his rights at the outset of the interrogation process.â 384 U.S. at 445. As the Court stressed, when âthe police [have] not advised the defendant of his constitutional privilege . . . at the outset of the interrogation,â the suspectâs âabdication of [that] constitutional privilegeâthe choice on his part to speak to the policeâ[is] not made knowingly or competently because of the failure to apprise him of his rights.â Id. at 465 (citing Escobedo v. Illinois, 378 U.S. 478 (1964)). Both Davis and Berghuis recognize that the suspect must be given Miranda warnings before any interrogation. In Berghuis, the Court wrote that it need not âadd marginallyâ to Mirandaâs prophylactic protections by â[t]reating an ambiguous . . . statement as an invocation of Miranda rights,â because âfull comprehension of the rights to remain silent and request an attorney are sufficient to dispel whatever coercion is inherent in the interrogation process.â 130 S. Ct. at 2260. Similarly, in Davis, the court emphasized that the âprimary protection afforded suspects subject to custodial interrogation is the Miranda warnings themselvesâ and that, âafter having [those] right[s] explained to him,â a suspect must invoke his rights âaffirmatively.â 512 U.S. at 460-61 (emphasis added).  In light of these instructions from the Supreme Court, it is clear that Berghuis does not alter Davisâs requirement that an unambiguous invocation can apply only after a suspect 9320 SESSOMS v. RUNNELS has been informed of his Miranda rights. Not only are the Supreme Court cases on this point pellucid, their rationale makes eminent sense. A person not aware of his rights cannot be expected to clearly invoke them. Once, however, a suspect has been read his Miranda rights, it is reasonable to ascribe to him knowledge of those rights. If at some later point during the custodial interrogation he decides that he wants an attorney, he should be held to a higher standard of clarity to invoke that right. That is precisely what Davis concluded. Thus, if a suspect invokes his rights before the Miranda warnings are given, the invocation must be analyzed under the rule of Miranda and Edwards, not that of Davis. We therefore conclude that the California Court of Appeal unreasonably extended Davisâs clear invocation rule to a situation where it does not apply. Sessoms requested an attorney before receiving a clear and complete statement of his rights and, therefore, knowledge of his rights cannot be ascribed to him. In this circumstance, the clear invocation rule simply should not have been applied.  Because the California Court of Appeal unreasonably applied clearly established Supreme Court precedent, AEDPAâs restrictions do not apply. Panetti v. Quarterman, 551 U.S. 930 (2007) (stating that when âthe requirement set forth in Â§ 2254(d)(1) is satisfied[, a] federal court must then resolve the [constitutional] claim without the deference AEDPA otherwise requiresâ); Frantz v. Hazey, 533 F.3d 724, 736-37 (9th Cir. 2008) (en banc) (âwhere the analysis on federal habeas . . . results in the conclusion that Â§ 2254(d)(1) is satisfied, then federal habeas courts must review the substantive constitutionality of the state custody de novoâ). Therefore, using the correct legal framework we consider de novo whether Sessoms invoked his right to counsel. Under Miranda and Edwards, Sessoms could âindicate[ ] in any manner and at any stage of the process that he wishe[d] to consult with an attorney,â Miranda, 384 U.S. at 444-45, so long as he âexpressed his desire to deal with the police only through counsel,â Edwards, 451 U.S. at 484; see also McNeil, SESSOMS v. RUNNELS 9321 501 U.S. at 178 (âIt requires, at a minimum, some statement that can reasonably be construed to be an expression of a desire for the assistance of an attorney in dealing with custodial interrogation by the police.â). Sessomsâs statements easily meet this standard. B. Police officers spend their days interacting with ordinary people in our cities and neighborhoods and are surely well acquainted with how ordinary people speak. Recognizing this, the Supreme Court has directed that a defendantâs words should be âunderstood as ordinary people would understand them.â Connecticut v. Barrett, 479 U.S. 523, 529 (1987).  Here, any reasonable police officer (as indeed did these officers) would understand that Sessoms expressed his desire to have a lawyer present at his interrogation. Forty seconds into the conversation, before any meaningful exchange took place, Sessoms requested counsel twice in rapid succession. First, Sessoms said âThere wouldnât be any possible way that I could have a â a lawyer present while we do this?â Although it was couched in a polite and diffident manner, the meaning of Sessomsâs request was clear: he wanted a lawyer then and there. If there were any doubt (which there should not have been), Sessoms immediately made a second statement: âYeah, thatâs what my dad asked me to ask you guys . . . uh, give me a lawyer.â Simply put, the words âgive me a lawyerâ mean just that: âgive me a lawyer.â Each of Sessomsâs statements, taken on its own, clearly expresses his desire for an attorney. But when the two statements are taken together, that conclusion is indisputable.8 8 Both the state court and the dissent analyze Sessomsâs statements in isolation but do not consider the meaning of the two statements together. 9322 SESSOMS v. RUNNELS Of course, the best test of how a reasonable police officer would understand Sessomsâs request is how the actual police officer in this case responded. That reaction is telling. Detective Woodsâs response to Sessomsâs statementsâinforming Sessoms that a lawyer would only prevent him from giving his side of the story and that, in any event, invocation was futile because the police already knew what happenedâ shows that he knew Sessoms was requesting a lawyer, and he wanted to do his best to talk Sessoms out of it. This desire is understandable. Detective Woods had flown halfway across the country to speak to Sessoms about a murder case, and it was surely frustrating when Sessoms requested a lawyer only forty seconds into the interrogation. But the ârigid prophylactic rule of Edwardsâ requires the police to cease questioning immediately when a suspect requests counsel and forbids any attempt to badger a suspect into waiving his previously asserted rights. Davis, 512 U.S. at 458 (internal quotation marks omitted); Harvey, 494 U.S. at 350. The California Court of Appealâs decision could only be defended by âdisregard[ing] . . . the ordinary meaningâ of Sessomsâs statements. Barrett, 479 U.S. at 530. This is forbidden by clearly established federal law. All that is required is some expression of a desire for the assistance of an attorney and Sessoms made his wishes sufficiently clear. IV. CONCLUSION Davisâs requirement that a request for counsel be unambiguous does not apply to this case. The state court acted unreasonably by requiring Sessoms to unequivocally or unambiguously invoke his right to counsel. Under Miranda and Edwards, Sessoms invoked his right to counsel. Law enforcementâthose responsible for enforcing the rule of law âmay not disregard the constitutional safeguards imposed by Miranda, which ensure the protection of the Fifth Amendmentâs right against self-incrimination. SESSOMS v. RUNNELS 9323  Upon hearing Sessomsâs request for an attorney, Detectives Woods and Keller were required to immediately terminate all questioning. See Miranda, 384 U.S. at 444-45. They failed to do so. Therefore, Sessomsâs incriminating statements were obtained in violation of Miranda and their admission at Sessomsâs trial violated his clearly established rights under the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments. See Edwards, 451 U.S. at 486-87.  We reverse the district courtâs denial of habeas relief and remand with instructions to grant a conditional writ of habeas corpus with directions that the state retry Sessoms within a reasonable period, or release him. REVERSED and REMANDED. FISHER, Circuit Judge, with whom B. FLETCHER, WARDLAW, and PAEZ, Circuit Judges, join, concurring: I fully concur in the majority opinion. I also conclude, contrary to the dissent, that even if it were reasonable to apply the more stringent standard of Davis v. United States, 512 U.S. 452 (1994), the California Court of Appeal unreasonably applied that standard. For the reasons stated in the majority opinion, the only reasonable conclusion was that Sessomsâ statements, taken together, unambiguously conveyed his desire to have counsel present. MURGUIA, Circuit Judge, with whom KOZINSKI, Chief Judge, and SILVERMAN, CALLAHAN, and IKUTA, Circuit Judges, join, dissenting: I respectfully dissent. The majority invalidates a conviction on the ground that the state court reached a decision that was 9324 SESSOMS v. RUNNELS contrary to and an unreasonable application of clearly established federal law. According to the majority, the California Court of Appeal unreasonably applied Davis v. United States, 512 U.S. 452, 459 (1994), to the pre-waiver context. But the majority eschews the high level of deference we owe a state court under the Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act (âAEDPAâ), 28 U.S.C. Â§ 2254. A federal habeas court may not grant relief unless no reasonable jurist could agree with the state courtâs determination. See Harrington v. Richter, 131 S. Ct. 770, 786 (2011). On the record before us, a reasonable jurist could conclude not only that the Davis standard applies to pre-Miranda statements, but also that Sessomsâs request was ambiguous and equivocal. I would, therefore, affirm the district courtâs judgment denying relief. I Before the police read him his Miranda rights, Sessoms said, âThere wouldnât be any possible way that I could have a â a lawyer present while we do this? . . . Yeah, thatâs what my dad told me to ask you guys . . . uh, give me a lawyer.â The majority holds the state court reached a decision that was contrary to and an unreasonable application of clearly established federal law in concluding that if Sessoms wanted the officers to stop the interrogation, he had to make a clear request for counsel as required by Davis. Under AEDPA, Sessoms is only entitled to relief if the state court unreasonably applied âclearly established federal law.â 28 U.S.C. Â§ 2254(d)(1). âClearly established Federal lawâ refers to the holdings, not the dicta, of the Supreme Court as of the time of the relevant state courtâs decision. Lockyer v. Andrade, 538 U.S. 63, 71 (2003). The Supreme Court has never held that an ambiguous request for counsel was enough to stop an interrogation. When the Supreme Court has had occasion to consider the issue, it has either expressly declined to reach it, Smith v. Illinois, 469 U.S. 91 (1984), or held that only an unambiguous invocation requires police to terminate the interrogation. SESSOMS v. RUNNELS 9325 Davis, 512 U.S. at 460-61; Berghuis v. Thompkins, 130 S. Ct. 2250, 2260 (2010). In Smith, the Supreme Court did not address the consequences of an ambiguous inquiry about counsel, because the invocation in that case was clear. 469 U.S. at 99-100 (âWe do not decide the circumstances in which an accusedâs request for counsel may be characterized as ambiguous or equivocal . . . .â). The Court found it unnecessary to resolve the conflict in the lower courts on this point. Thus, Smith confirmed that the consequences of an ambiguous request for counsel was an unsettled question in Mirandaâs wake, and that there was no established law on point. When the Supreme Court did reach the question in Davis, it held that âif a suspect makes a reference to an attorney that is ambiguous or equivocal . . . our precedents do not require the cessation of questioning. Rather, the suspect must unambiguously request counsel.â 512 U.S. at 459 (emphasis added). In expounding this rule, the Court in Davis reasoned that âwhen the officers conducting the questioning reasonably do not know whether the suspect wants a lawyer, a rule requiring the immediate cessation of questioning âwould transform the Miranda safeguards into wholly irrational obstacles to legitimate police investigative activity.â â Id. at 460 (quoting Michigan v. Mosley, 423 U.S. 96, 102 (1975)). In applying this reasoning to the facts of the case, the Davis court held that âafter a knowing and voluntary waiver of the Miranda rights, law enforcement officers may continue questioning until and unless the suspect clearly requests an attorney.â Id. at 461. While the Court noted that this rule (requiring a suspect to clearly request an attorney) applied to situations where the suspect had waived Miranda rights, the Court did not specifically address whether or not the ruleâs applicability was confined to that period. Thus, it was not contrary to established law or unreasonable for the California Court of Appeal to apply the Davis rule to Sessomsâs case. 9326 SESSOMS v. RUNNELS In fact, the Supreme Court has recently confirmed that Davisâs reasoning applies equally in the pre-waiver context. Berghuis, 130 S. Ct. at 2260; see also United States v. Plugh, 648 F.3d 118, 124-25 (2d. Cir. 2011) (applying Davis to the pre-waiver context in light of Berghuis); United States v. Doe, 170 F.3d 1162, 1166 (9th Cir. 1999) (applying Davis where defendant asked about an attorney âbefore being read his Miranda rights, before being interrogated and even before biographical questioningâ). The Berghuis Court, without qualification, held: âIf an accused makes a statement concerning the right to counsel âthat is ambiguous or equivocalâ or makes no statement, the police are not required to end the interrogation, or ask questions to clarify whether the accused wants to invoke his or her Miranda rights.â 130 S. Ct. at 2259-60 (quoting Davis, 512 U.S. at 461-62). The Court reiterated the practical considerations underlying the rule: There is good reason to require an accused who wants to invoke his or her [Miranda rights] to do so unambiguously. A requirement of an unambiguous invocation of Miranda rights results in an objective inquiry that avoid[s] difficulties of proof and . . . provide[s] guidance to officers on how to proceed in the face of ambiguity. If an ambiguous act, omission, or statement could require police to end the interrogation, police would be required to make difficult decisions about an accusedâs unclear intent and face the consequence of suppression if they guess wrong. Suppression of a voluntary confession in these circumstances would place a significant burden on societyâs interest in prosecuting criminal activity. Id. at 2260 (citations and internal quotation marks omitted). Although Berghuis had not been decided at the time the state court ruled on Sessomsâs claims, the holding confirms that it was not unreasonable for the California Court of Appeal to apply Davis in this case. SESSOMS v. RUNNELS 9327 The majority relies upon excerpted sentences from Miranda-related precedent to suggest there is a Supreme Court rule that says: Any statement by a suspect that could be interpreted as a request for a lawyer is an invocation of the right to counsel. The majority then suggests that the rulings in Davis and Berghuis carved out narrow exceptions to this ârule.â But the Supreme Court has never held that an ambiguous statement or question regarding counsel is enough to stop an interrogation. While Miranda established that a suspect could stop the questioning by âindicat[ing] in any manner and at any stage of the process that he wishes to consult with an attorney before speaking,â Miranda v. Arizona, 384 U.S. 436, 444-45 (1966), the decision did not address what the police were supposed to do when the suspectâs âindicationâ was ambiguous. Similarly, Edwards v. Arizona, which held that a suspect cannot be subjected to further questioning once he has âexpressed his desire to deal with the police only through counsel,â says nothing about what constitutes a sufficient expression of that desire. 451 U.S. 477, 484 (1981). Rather, Edwards said that authorities may not continue to interrogate a suspect who âhas clearly asserted his right to counsel.â Id. at 485 (emphasis added). This language suggests that an unambiguous statement is required. See Davis, 512 U.S. at 460 (citing to this portion of Edwards to support point that assertion must be clear and unambiguous). Edwards, of course, does not provide much guidance on the issue of ambiguity, because the suspect in that case plainly stated, âI want an attorney before making a deal.â Id. at 479. When the Supreme Court in McNeil v. Wisconsin said that an invocation of the right to counsel ârequires, at a minimum, some statement that can reasonably be construed to be an expression of a desire for the assistance of an attorney in dealing with custodial interrogation by the police,â 501 U.S. 171, 178 (1991), it was explaining why requesting legal representation for a bail hearing would not preclude a subsequent 9328 SESSOMS v. RUNNELS police interrogation. McNeil did not set out the standard for assessing a suspectâs ambiguous inquiry about counsel at the start of a custodial interrogation, as the majority implies. The majority also suggests that its reliance on McNeil is supported by Davis, stating: When there has not been a knowing and voluntary waiver, â[i]nvocation of the Miranda right to counsel ârequires, at a minimum, some statement that can reasonably be construed to be an expression of a desire for the assistance of an attorney,â â Davis, 512 U.S. at 459 (quoting McNeil v. Wisconsin, 501 U.S. 171, 178 (1991)), but the assertion need not be âunambiguous or unequivocal,â id. at 462. Maj. Op. at 9318. In addition to misconstruing McNeil, this passage turns Davis on its head. Nowhere in Davis is there any statement suggesting that âthe assertion need not be âunambiguous or unequivocal.â â Indeed, this is made clear by the very next line in Davis: Invocation of the Miranda right to counsel ârequires, at a minimum, some statement that can reasonably be construed to be an expression of a desire for the assistance of an attorney.â McNeil v. Wisconsin, 501 U.S., at 178. But if a suspect makes a reference to an attorney that is ambiguous or equivocal in that a reasonable officer in light of the circumstances would have understood only that the suspect might be invoking the right to counsel, our precedents do not require the cessation of questioning. Davis, 512 U.S. at 459 (emphasis added). The problem with the majorityâs analysis becomes even more apparent looking at the entire sentence from which it selectively lifts âunambiguous or unequivocalâ: âIf the suspectâs statement is not an unambiguous or unequivocal request for counsel, the officers SESSOMS v. RUNNELS 9329 have no obligation to stop questioning him.â Id. at 461-62. This sentence in no way supports the majorityâs statement that âthe assertion need not be âunambiguous or unequivocal.â â The Supreme Court has never held, in Davis or in any case, that an ambiguous or equivocal statement regarding an attorney is sufficient to invoke a suspectâs right to counsel. The majority criticizes the state court for applying Davis in this case because Sessoms had not been read his Miranda rights before he referenced a lawyer. Cf. United States v. Doe, 170 F.3d at 1166 (holding that âa statement concerning an attorney made before interrogation begins is far less likely to be a request for attorney assistance during interrogation than a similar statement made during custodial interrogationâ). The majority points to the emphasis in Davis and Berghuis on the protection provided by the Miranda warnings, as grounds for requiring a lower standard of clarity in the pre-Miranda context. Davis, 512 U.S. at 460-61; Berghuis, 130 S. Ct. at 2260; but see United States v. Doe, 170 F.3d at 1166. But here, after Sessoms referenced a lawyer, the detective read Sessoms his Miranda rights. Thus, Sessoms was Mirandized after he asked about a lawyer, and, as such, was expressly advised of his right to counsel. It was only after that advisement and Sessomsâs waiver that the police questioned him. The majority asserts that the waiver only occurred because the seasoned detective, aware that Sessoms might want a lawyer, used the brief time before he read Sessoms his Miranda rights to pressure him into waiving them. Sessoms, however, does not claim he was improperly coaxed into waiving his Miranda rights; instead, he claims that he invoked his right to counsel. And because the policy considerations emphasized by the Supreme Court in Davis and Berghuis apply equally before and after the Miranda rights have been read, it was not unreasonable for the state court to require an unambiguous request for counsel in this case. Finally, and most importantly, the Supreme Court has never held that a different standard applies prior to the reading of 9330 SESSOMS v. RUNNELS the Miranda rights. â â[I]t is not an unreasonable application of clearly established Federal law for a state court to decline to apply a specific legal rule that has not been squarely established by this Court.â â Harrington, 131 S. Ct. at 786 (quoting Knowles v. Mirzayance, 556 U.S. 111, 122 (2009)). In these circumstances, I cannot conclude that the California Court of Appeal reached a decision that was contrary to or an unreasonable application of clearly established federal law in ruling that only an unambiguous invocation of the right to counsel would have required the detectives to stop Sessomsâs interrogation. See Wright v. Van Patten, 552 U.S. 120, 126 (2008) (âBecause our cases give no clear answer to the question presented, let alone one in [petitionerâs] favor, it cannot be said that the state court unreasonably applied clearly established Federal law.â (citations and internal quotation marks omitted)); Carey v. Musladin, 549 U.S. 70, 77 (2006) (âGiven the lack of holdings from this Court . . . it cannot be said that the state court unreasonably applied clearly established Federal law.â) (alterations and internal quotation marks omitted); Yarborough v. Alvarado, 541 U.S. 652, 666-67 (2004) (holding that court was nowhere close to the mark in ruling that the state court had unreasonably applied established federal law by failing to consider a suspectâs age when determining custodial status, where â[the Supreme Courtâs] opinions applying the Miranda custody test have not mentioned the suspectâs age, much less mandated its considerationâ); DeWeaver v. Runnels, 556 F.3d 995, 1002 (9th Cir. 2009) (âWe . . . could not conclude that application of the Davis rule to an invocation of the right to remain silent is contrary to or an unreasonable application of Supreme Court precedent where the Supreme Court has neither squarely addressed when an ambiguous statement amounts to an invocation of the right to remain silent nor refused to extend the Davis rule to an invocation of the right to remain silent.â (alterations and internal quotation marks omitted)). SESSOMS v. RUNNELS 9331 II Having determined that it was not unreasonable to apply Davis in this case, I also consider whether the state court was objectively unreasonable in concluding that Sessomsâs statement was not an unambiguous request for counsel. Even if I would have decided differently had I been on the California Court of Appeal, the law is clear that âa federal habeas court may not issue the writ simply because that court concludes in its independent judgment that the state-court decision applied [the law] incorrectly.â Woodford v. Visciotti, 537 U.S. 19, 2425 (2002). Our review is constrained, sometimes painfully so, by AEDPA, which âpreserves authority to issue the writ in cases where there is no possibility fairminded jurists could disagree that the state courtâs decision conflicts with [the Supreme] Courtâs precedents. It goes no farther.â Harrington, 131 S. Ct. at 786. Davis provides: â[I]f a suspect makes a reference to an attorney that is ambiguous or equivocal in that a reasonable officer in light of the circumstances would have understood only that the suspect might be invoking the right to counsel, our precedents do not require the cessation of questioning.â 512 U.S. at 459. In this case, Sessoms first asked, âThere wouldnât be any possible way that I could have a, a lawyer present while we do this?â The California Court of Appeal concluded that a reasonable police officer could have interpreted Sessomsâs first question as asking only whether he was allowed to have a lawyer present, rather than actually requesting a lawyer. When reviewing a habeas petition from a state court, this Court âmust determine what arguments or theories supported, or . . . could have supported, the state courtâs decision; and then [we] must ask whether it is possible fairminded jurists could disagree that those arguments or theories are inconsistent with the holding in a prior decision of [the Supreme Court].â Harrington, 131 S. Ct. at 786. The state court decision was not an objectively unreasonable application of Davis. Sessomsâs question, punctuated 9332 SESSOMS v. RUNNELS with hesitation, conditions, and phrased in the negative, is subject to different interpretations and comparable to statements that this Court and other courts have found ambiguous. Compare Davis, 512 U.S. at 455 (âMaybe I should talk to a lawyer.â); United States v. Younger, 398 F.3d 1179, 1187 (9th Cir. 2005) (â[B]ut, excuse me, if I am right, I can have a lawyer present through all this, right?â); Clark v. Murphy, 331 F.3d 1062, 1065 (9th Cir. 2003) (âI think I would like to talk to a lawyer.â), overruled on other grounds by Lockyer, 538 U.S. 63; United States v. Doe, 170 F.3d at 1166 (âWhat time will I see a lawyer?â); Diaz v. Senkowski, 76 F.3d 61, 63-65 (2d Cir. 1996) (âI think I want a lawyer.â); Lord v. Duckworth, 29 F.3d 1216, 1218-21 (7th Cir. 1994) (âI canât afford a lawyer but is there any way I can get one?â); with Anderson v. Terhune, 516 F.3d 781, 783 (9th Cir. 2008) (en banc) (âI plead the fifth.â); Edwards, 451 U.S. at 479 (âI want an attorney before making this deal.â). Sessoms also followed up his question with this statement: âThatâs what my dad told me to ask you guys. . . uh, give me a lawyer.â It is unclear from this statement if Sessoms is merely expressing his fatherâs opinion or if he is agreeing with his father and he himself wants an attorney. Either interpretation is plausible. A reasonable jurist could conclude that telling a detective âMy dad told me to ask for a lawyerâ is different than saying âI want an attorney.â Because it cannot be said that no reasonable jurist would find either of Sessomsâs statements, viewed individually or together, to be ambiguous and equivocal, relief is barred by AEDPA. The majority points to the detectiveâs reaction to Sessomsâs question as evidence that the detective believed Sessoms invoked his right to counsel. The officer stammered and, the majority claims, proceeded to persuade Sessoms to waive his right to counsel. The detectiveâs reaction, however, could easily have been that of an officer faced with a suspect who only might have invoked his right to counsel and relayed his SESSOMS v. RUNNELS 9333 fatherâs advice at the start of an interrogation. The detectiveâs answer supports this theory: Uh, I want to back up to your question you asked about an attorney. Um, first, before you ask questions, uh, Iâm going to tell you why weâre here, just lay it out and be up front. And then â then Iâm going to advise you of your rights. And then itâs up â for you to decide if you want the attorney or not. The majority believes the officers should have answered Sessomsâs question by simply saying âyesâ and terminating the interrogation. The majority claims that in the brief exchange before Sessoms was read his Miranda rights, the detective manipulated Sessoms into waiving his right to counsel. Again, however, Sessoms is not claiming that he was pressured into an involuntary waiver, but only that he asked for counsel, which should have terminated the interrogation. â[T]he likelihood that a suspect would wish counsel to be present is not the test for applicability of Edwards.â McNeil, 501 U.S. at 178. Unless Sessoms clearly invoked his right to counsel, the police officers were not required to take any particular course of action in response to his statements or questions. See Davis, 512 U.S. at 460. As such, the majorityâs focus on the detectiveâs reaction at that stage is misplaced. I acknowledge that this reasoning results in a harsh outcome for a nineteen-year-old who turned himself in, expressly told the officers that his father wanted him to have a lawyer, and may have been trying to be respectful when asking for counsel. However, when it set out the rule in Davis, the Supreme Court understood and accepted that a strict rule would disadvantage certain individuals who wanted counsel: We recognize that requiring a clear assertion of the right to counsel might disadvantage some suspects who â because of fear, intimidation, lack of linguistic skills, or a variety of other reasons â will not 9334 SESSOMS v. RUNNELS clearly articulate their right to counsel although they actually want to have a lawyer present. Davis, 512 at 460-61. The law is clear. Could the police officers have assumed that Sessoms was in fact asking for a lawyer? Yes. Was it objectively unreasonable for the California Court of Appeal to hold that a police officer could have interpreted Sessomsâs statement as a possible request for a lawyer rather than an actual request for a lawyer, which would not require the officer to stop the interrogation? I cannot say that it was. Because this Court is constrained by the deference mandated by AEDPA, even when faced with a close case where it may have ruled differently than the state court, I respectfully dissent.